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JACK MA=J H: By now you ‘ve probably heard of Alibaba, the Chinese Internet giant that’s able to reach millions upon millions of previously unreachable Chinese consumers.The company went republic this month on the New York Stock Exchange and became of the most valuable in the world and Alibaba is just getting started.Everything about Alibaba story is unconventional,beginning with its founder Jack Ma, who gained global celebrity status these past ten days as his image became ubiquitous on busine news channels and media outlets acro America.We got to know Jack Ma before the onslaught,beginning over a year ago in China, where he talked with us about his relationship with the Chinese government and his unorthodox philosophy,which surprisingly,gives share holders almost no say over how he runs the company.J:If you want to invest us ,we believe customer number one, employee number two , shareholder number three.If they don’t want to buy that, they can sell us.H:In the U.S.,the shareholder is usually first.J:yeah, and I think they are wrong.The shareholder, good.I respect them.But they are the third.Because if you take care of the customers,take care of the employees,shareholders will be taken care of.H : Ma’s unconventional view didn’t stop wall street from pouring $25 billion into his company,now listed on the New York Stock Exchange as BABA.It’s an Internet shopping behemoth,a collection of online market places where buyers and sellers connect to do busine.Most of the company ‘s money comes from advertising and small transactions fees.On its most popular website,Taobao,users talk to each other ,barter and engage in a way that doesn’t happen on American e-commerce websites,and Alibaba says there are close to a billion products for sale.H:If I’m buying a house,I can do everything ,from finding an architect to buying doorknobs to furnishing the entire thing from start to finish.What else?
J: Yeah, you can buy anything.As long as it’s legal.Anything.中间省略简短对话。
H:It’s now the biggest e-commerce film in the world, dwarfing the combined sales of Amazon and ebay.And Alibaba has helped created hundreds of millions of Internet consumers, a whole new cla in Communist China,people who never acce to modern commerce before Jack Ma came along.And now you have 500 registered users ?
J :yes, it’s only a litter bit more than 40 percent of China population and we need more.We have over 100 million people visiting the site, shopping everyday coming.And it’s just the beginning.When Jack Ma dreamed up Alibaba in 1999, the online world looked nothing like it does today.The most popular search engine was Yahoo, not Google.There are no I pods, I phones and I pads.Only 4out of ten American homes have Internet connections.And th world wide web barely reached all the way to China, where retail stores were rare outside the big cities.For most of the country, there was no such thing as package delivery or credits cards.The only way to buy anything was face to face and in cash.J: When we started the e-commerce,nobody believed that China would have e-commerce cause people believe in GuanXi, face to face, and all kinds of network in traditional ways.There is no trust system in China.H: He had to overcome centuries of tradition by showing Chinese buyers and sellers that they could trust Alibaba with their money in this new virtual world.He did it by guaranteeing the transactions and creating his own payment system,an escrow account where Alibaba holds the buyers’ money until the goods are delivered.J: Everyday we finish more than 30million transactions.And that means that there, you are buying from somebody you have never seen , you are giving products tho the person you have never met.And there are some guys you never know that he is going to take your products to that place to that person.I want to tell people that trust if here.cause it’s all about trust..H:Now ,rich and poor, will acce to the Internet and something to sell, can connect with hundreds of millions of potential customers on one of Ma’s websites.Ordinary people in China, who never had a way to do busine with each other before, today have a stake in the online world.That idea is revolutionary.It creates millions of jobs and made Ma a hero to millions of China.So this is your old stomping ground right ? We met Ma in Hongzhou, an ancient city in southeastern China famous for its beauty.This is where he grew up poor in the 1960s,during the chaos of Maozedong’s Cultural revolutionary, when the country was cut off from the west.Then in 1972, Richard Nixon came to his hometown.It was the first visit by the U.S.president t to Communist China, and the city became a mecca for foreign tourists.Through them, 12-year-old Jack Ma got his first glimpse of a world beyond China.He told us how he told himself English, walking to foreigners and offering free tours in exchange for free leons.Unlike many succeful Chinese entrepreneurs, Jack Ma never studied in the U.S..He also had no status , money and connections.The only other way to get ahead in China was education and he failed the collage entrance examination 中间省略简短对话
H : Ma made it into collage on his third try and became an English teacher.With no computing no engineering background, he is unlikely tech titan.But he says he was captivated by the internet from the moment he saw it in 1995 when he came to the U.S.as a translator.中间省略简短对话
H: His first two ventures failed.4 years later , he convinced some friends and former students , most of whom had never used the Internet to invest him and his vision for Alibaba.With just $50,000 in seed money, Alibaba was born.Today, it’s valued at$231billion and is headquartered in Hangzhou, on a sprawling state-of-the-art campus that rivals any in Silicon Valley.Ma’s personal fortune makes him the richest man in China and one of the most influential.It’s impoible to run a busine on Alibaba scale without official bleing.You were quoted saying, when you have millions of small companies using you site and billions of dollars in transactions everyday, the government cares.So what do they care about.J: they care that I can stabilize the country.I told the government,“if people have no jobs,you are in trouble.” government will be in trouble.My job is to keep more people have jobs.H : so usually when people succeed in China, they either have connections, political connections or they come from a wealthy family.You had neither.And you have done that without interference from the government? M: well, I’ve never got one cents form the government.Never got one cents from China banks.So i am very independent.H : that was true when Alibaba began.And most of its capital still comes from abroad.But more recently some of its small investors have included institutions with ties to China’s ruling elites.Alibaba also benefited from Chinese government policies that make it difficult for foreign competitors to operate there.Ma explained how he walks a fine line with Beijing.中间省略简短对话
H : when we preed Ma, he acknowledged there are times he has to bow to Chinese authorities.Though he was surprisingly frank about a subject that is also sensitive among U.S.Internet companies, including Google,Facebook and Yahoo.You gathered more information on Chinese citizens than anyone else int the country.So when the Chinese government comes knocking on your door.asking for that information, how do you handle that? What do you do? J : OK.We have a very strict proce working with the government.If they want to do it , it’s related with the national security, we will work together.Any country, any citizen, anywhere, you have to work.I believe Google has to with the national security of the U.S.A..Facebook has to do it.Alibaba would definitely have to do it
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